The distinction between the two Latin-American left coordination bodies most often conflated. The Foro de São Paulo, constituted in 1990 when Brazil's Workers' Party convened left parties of Latin America and the Caribbean to debate the scenario after the fall of the Berlin Wall (48 parties and organizations at the first São Paulo meeting; the name adopted from the 1991 Mexico City meeting), is a conference of parties and organizations. The Grupo de Puebla, founded in Puebla, Mexico, in July 2019, is a forum of individual leaders of the Latin American and southern-European left — former presidents such as Mujica, Rousseff, Samper, Correa and Zapatero among its members — with organs including the juridical council CLAJUD. Party membership versus personal membership is the load-bearing difference: a claim about one body does not transfer to the other.[1] [2]